{"id":2726,"date":"2014-04-05T10:46:17","date_gmt":"2014-04-05T10:46:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bucksurdu.com\/blog\/?p=2726"},"modified":"2014-04-05T10:46:17","modified_gmt":"2014-04-05T10:46:17","slug":"rating-vehicles-in-g-a-m-e-r","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/2014\/04\/05\/rating-vehicles-in-g-a-m-e-r\/","title":{"rendered":"Rating Vehicles in G.A.M.E.R."},"content":{"rendered":"

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Since the vehicle test went relatively well last week, I’ve been thinking about how to develop the armor and penetration numbers for the vehicles.\u00a0 Here’s my thinking:<\/p>\n

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Information on armor in various parts of a vehicle can be gathered on the internet and other sources.\u00a0 As this isn’t meant to be a published project, I will just do this for a handful of vehicles.\u00a0 Then anyone who wants to stat up another vehicle can do so, using the formulas.\u00a0 Sometimes what is reported is just the front hull.\u00a0 Other times what is reported is a range (e.g., the armor on the Panther varied between 10mm and 120mm), leaving the reader to guess that 10mm was the rear hull, the turret and side armor were in the middle somewhere (about 50 – 55mm), etc.<\/p>\n

Armor:<\/span><\/p>\n

To compute the armor number in G.A.M.E.R., take mm or armor, round up to nearest 10, divide by 10, and add 4.\u00a0 As an example, the frontal armor on a M4E8 “Easy Eight” was about 178mm, making it one of the heaviest armored vehicle fronts of the war.\u00a0 A standard M4 (earliest model) was about 75mm.\u00a0 Different Sherman versions varied between these two extremes.\u00a0 Let’s start with the Easy Eight.\u00a0 The frontal hull armor would be 178 -> 180, 180 \/10 = 18, 18 + 4 = 22. \u00a0Using the same formula, the M4 would be 12.<\/p>\n

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Now that result is just a meaningless number until you look at penetration.<\/p>\n

Penetration:<\/span><\/p>\n

(Just for reference, rifles have a penetration of 1 and pistols 0.)<\/p>\n

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At short, medium, and long ranges, take the book<\/em> value for penetration, round up to the nearest 10 and divide by 10.\u00a0 As an example, the 88mm KwK 36 L\/56, depending on ammunition used, had a penetration of about<\/em> 120mm at 500m.\u00a0 So 120 \/ 10 = 12. \u00a0Another example:\u00a0 An ATR at short range had a penetration of about 35mm.\u00a0 That would be 35 -> 40 \/10 = 4.<\/p>\n

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An early Tiger with an 88mm KwK 36 L\/56\u00a0gun hits the front of an M4 Sherman.\u00a0 The Tiger rolls d10 and adds the penetration of 12.\u00a0 Let’s say he rolls a 5, that is a result of 17.\u00a0 17 is greater than the 12 armor on the front of the M4, so the hit penetrates.\u00a0 If he had rolled a 1, that would automatically be a “bounce.”<\/p>\n

That same Tiger with the same roll of 5 would NOT penetrate the front of the Easy Eight.\u00a0 In fact, the 88mm KwK 36 L\/56\u00a0would need to hit the side or turret to penetrate, as the front of the Easy Eight is just too thick.<\/p>\n

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The ATR fired at the Sherman would have a penetration of 43.\u00a0 If the player rolled an 8 for penetration, that would give a result of 12 compared to an armor of 12, which would indicate no penetration.<\/p>\n

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Yes, I know that not all armor is created equal, but it’s a good enough approximation for what is meant to be a fun skirmish game.\u00a0 Of course people could fiddle with the stats to handicap their favorite vehicle.<\/p>\n

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With these formulas, anyone using the rules can quickly create the stats for their vehicles and get playing. \u00a0And I don’t have to spend the next two years doing it myself and then listening to people complain about the stats I gave their favorite vehicles. \u00a0If it was known that a particular vehicle had a weak area, the results of the formulas can be modified to suit the players’ perceptions.<\/p>\n

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The next step is to build the formulas to determine the movement speed in the game based on the real tank’s quoted stats.<\/p>\n

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I’ve also added another attribute to vehicles. \u00a0It is the maximum number of elevations that a vehicle can go UP in a single activation. \u00a0I was reading somewhere recently that the Germans were constantly surprised at the climbing ability of the Sherman. \u00a0(Of course it was a medium tank, not one of heavy tank like self-loathing American and Brits with axe to grind like to compare with the Sherman.) \u00a0So the Sherman might have a max climb of 2, while most other tanks might be a 1. \u00a0Or perhaps those numbers are 3 and 2. \u00a0I’m still working on it, but if you think about this simple mechanic, I think you’ll see how elegant it is.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Since the vehicle test went relatively well last week, I’ve been thinking about how to develop the armor and penetration numbers for the vehicles.\u00a0 Here’s my thinking:   Information on armor in various parts of a vehicle can be gathered on the internet and other sources.\u00a0 As this isn’t meant to be a published project, … Continue reading Rating Vehicles in G.A.M.E.R.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[4],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2726"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2726"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2726\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2726"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2726"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bucksurdu.com\/bucksblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2726"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}